2006-02-18 [RiddleRose]: i agree with chuchutrain... if you're just going to put your name on the roster and then ignore flipside altogether, there really doesn't seem to be much point in entering. but as long as they participate in some way that isn't just going into the comments and typig "hi" every now and then, i would consider them a member... even if they didn't enter contests!

2006-02-18 [Mister Saint]: Certainly. Well, there are lots of things to do that don't involve jumping into contests. Discussions like this one, in fact, could be construed as being active. It isn't as if I'm planning on handing myself the power to ban people without good reason. As far as I'm concerned, banning someone from the wiki isn't going to happen just because I don't like the way a member does things. ^^ At the same time, though, I don't really like dead weight, and if nothing else I think it might help encourage activity. Plus, the timeframes I offered for vote are pretty generous.

2006-02-19 [Kaimee]: Maybe we could have more member's areas on the roster? :) Contest owners, contest participants, flipside supporters.. something like that. Any participant who doesn't participate after some amount of time could simply be shifted to the supporters list, messaged to tell them what's going on, with a list of current/upcoming contests they might be interested in, and that they could re-add themselves to the participants section once they've found a contest they're interested in. That way we aren't kicking members out, we aren't banning anyone, but contest owners can see a reasonably accurate list of the amount of people available to participate in contests at any given time (so they know ..

2006-02-19 [Kaimee]: whether it's worth creating a new one if there's a bit of a dry spell :P) and so they can create new contests specifically geared to the current active participants. Whether or not the 'supporters' list could only consist of active members I don't know, I'd like to think that even inactive ones could hang around on that list. Maybe after awhile if we never saw any input from someone we could message them to find out why and if necessary remove them, but I don't think a supporters list should have as strict a time limit as the participants list.

2006-02-19 [Kaimee]: And even that 'strict' time limit wouldn't be as if we were kicking them out, we're just shifting them to a different members area until they're ready to participate again :) That takes care of people like Moorn or SleepyD, who are definitely worthwhile and active members, but who might take a little nap-time away from the contests ;) Anyhoo, I personally think something like this is a much better approach to the whole thing (once you've thought it all the way through) and maintains the whole relaxed feel around flipside :)

2006-02-19 [Kaimee]: And now, I'll stop talking ;)

2006-02-19 [Mister Saint]: Personally, I stand by the idea of dismissal. But of course, it wouldn't occur until every last consideration was considered, and the member messaged, and all that. Of course, it isn't my choice alone, thash why the poll. ^^ As for the different member sections... well, at first there were three different sections. I eliminated them because I didn't want anyone to be able to claim rank or seniority over anyone else. Now, if the members as a group want sections, by gar, we'll have sections. 

2006-02-19 [Mister Saint]: Oh, what do you folks think about putting the pulls here instead of the main page?

2006-02-19 [Mister Saint]: I have an idea. Since this just seems to be starting static, why don't we just nix the idea of dismissing people at all? We'll just leave it alone. Thoughts?

2006-02-19 [Kaimee]: I really don't think that dismissing people is even really an option right now :P If the separate 'participants' and 'flipside supporters' sections are liked, just go with them. They make more sense than inventing crazy needless bureacratic rules to cover an eventuality that may never happen :P If someone ever joins and goes a couple months and we still haven't seen them, message them, find out if they're still interested. Who says we really need rules about that sort of thing? More likely then not they'll either say that they don't want to be members, or they'll start joining in. I think we should just work with the different sections, and cross the other bridge when we come to it :)

2006-02-19 [Kaimee]: And the different sections aren't like 'ranks', as you've said in your message :/ Just different areas of participation. Contest hosts, contest participants, flipside supporters, flipside writers.. that sort of thing. That way all members who just want to hang around, use the workshop stuff etc.. they can be "supporters" and move themselves to and from the participants section as they have time to participate or not. It's all there in my posts, sorry if they're a bit too long to read ^^;

2006-02-19 [Mister Saint]: Attention all members: the dismissal debate is over. I hope no one minds, but I do not like static and I certainly don't want it to be here, where it's supposed to be a casual attitude. From this point on, dismissal will only be considered based on rule-breaking. Inactivity is no longer a concern, you may be inactive until Doomsday and you get to stay on the list. However, the prerequisite thing is still up in the air. Thanks to everyone who gave their input. If anyone has a problem with my ending this matter, please feel free to message me. Thanks.

2006-02-19 [chuchutrain]: alrighty :D

2006-02-19 [Kaimee]: So are we going with the different members section? :D

2006-02-19 [chuchutrain]: From the sound of it, yes... ^^

2006-02-19 [Mister Saint]: I don't know. Actually... no, I don't think so. If we aren't going to bother with dismissals and inactivity, it's pointless to renew a member section.

2006-02-19 [Po]: Just going to roster in hosts and participants mode then?

2006-02-19 [Mister Saint]: No. Just members. The old rules concerning contest hosting will still apply; meaning that you must have entered a contest before you can host one.

2006-02-19 [Po]: :D As long as I can still have my contest running, whatever works, works. Ya know?

2006-02-19 [chuchutrain]: that reminded me of Final Fantasy VIII for PS

2006-02-19 [Mister Saint]: How so?